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nettime’s_post_traumatic_manageress on Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:36:05 +0200 (CEST)

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tell an event by its cover david turgeon <david.t@steam.ca> going and stopping samantha krukowski <samantha@rasa.net> story on spooky sleeve provoces net moralists.. roya// <roya@girlfish.net> Re: [TW] FW: Another Gulf of Tonkin Resolution? “Ivo Skoric” <ivo@reporters.net> 091401 wade tillett <super89@telocity.com> Re: <nettime> adjust and proceed snoble@mac.com —————————— Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:04:39 -0400 From: david turgeon <david.t@steam.ca> Subject: tell an event by its cover from amazon.com: Top Sellers in Books: 1. Nostradamus by John Hogue, Nostradamus Propheties 2. Twin Towers by Angus Kress Gillespie 3. The New Jackals by Simon Reeve ~ david —————————— Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:03:04 -0500 From: samantha krukowski <samantha@rasa.net> Subject: going and stopping someone out there please tell me something to read something to make something to inhale something to see that will get my pulse normalized enough that will make my blood flow i seem to be swamp bound in some black goo where creativity is not even a possibility where sitting without sometimes the strength to light a candle seems the only option i picked up de certeau’s the practice of everyday life it sounded good found the chapter called walking in the city and was demoted to stillness again it opens “seeing manhattan from the 110th floor of the world trade center” sk – — Dr. Samantha Henriette Krukowski Co-Director, ACTLab/Convergent Media Department of Radio-Television-Film University of Texas at Austin 78712 www.actlab.utexas.edu 512.471.4222 synapsestudio www.rasa.net/samantha —————————— Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:08:35 +0100 From: roya// <roya@girlfish.net> Subject: story on spooky sleeve provoces net moralists.. Salaam nettimers. Below the story on The Coups spooky album cover as published by London based website AMMOCITY on Wednesday. The mainstream media in their role as moral watchdogs picked up on the story in an instance, and ammocity has been flooded with threats, abuse and and… ever since. What is most disturbing are reports from various people whose provider (AOL.. others?) refused connecting to ammocity. Hate to be a scaremonger but I have a gut feeling that blacklisting websites is something that is likely to happen. Did you receive any reports on strange, similar looking incidents? take care of each other, roya* ** Spooky sleeve precedes blasts by three months TWIN TOWERS ALBUM COVER The album cover for hip hop group The Coup manages to even out-weird the quotes from the Nostradamus hoax doing the email roundssince Tuesday. Designed more than three months ago, the original cover for ‘Party Music’ shows group member ?Boots? Riley holding a detonator while the World Trade Centre explodes behind them. If you examine the actual explosions you?ll notice that they are around the same relative height on each of the towers as the real explosions. There?s been no word from 75 Ark Records, The Coup?s label, on the subject, but on their website the artwork has already been changed. If you want to see the spookiness you can link to the address http://www.ammocity.com/twintowers – — (this is todays update on the story by ammocity..) Hip hop crew The Coup have responded to the extraordinary similarity between their planned cover art for their album ?Party Music? and the attack on the World Trade Centre. In a statement, frontman Boots Riley expressed regret for the ?uncanny similarity? between the cover, completed in June this year, and the events of September 11. He also stated that ?the original intent of the cover was to use the World Trade Centre to symbolise capitalism and was not supposed to be realistic in its depiction.? Talking of the attack he explained, “all life is precious and this tremendous tragedy is by no means taken lightly by The Coup. This is a very unfortunate coincidence and my condolences go out to the families and friends of the victims.” The album will be released on November 5 with completely new artwork. —————————— Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:36:07 -0400 From: “Ivo Skoric” <ivo@reporters.net> Subject: Re: [TW] FW: Another Gulf of Tonkin Resolution? This is true – we are in contants with several people from Bosnia and from Serbia – who worked in financial district area – they survived either the war in Bosnia or the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia – and they are all frightened that the war came after them. Some of them are actually in need of counseling, because they don’t believe this is over now. It is also interesting how primary instinct of somebody who was once a victim of war is not to wish for revenge and retribution, but for peace and reconciliation. Those who see this recent attack on the US as a quid-pro-quo for NATO’s bombing of Yugoslavia are usually not those who were running for shelters in Belgrade, but those who were then, as they are now, behind their computer terminals safely, somewhere in the non- descript parts of the U.S. ivo Date sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:11:56 EDT Send reply to: Tribunal Watch List <TWATCH-L@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU> From: “Nalini Lasiewicz (twatch-l)” <LasiewiczN@AOL.COM> Subject: Re: [TW] FW: Another Gulf of Tonkin Resolution? To: TWATCH-L@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU In a message dated 9/13/2001 11:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, FBOYLE@LAW.UIUC.EDU writes: > According to the facts in the public record so far, this was not an act of > I don’t know about that, Francis. NYC looked like Sarajevo for a while there. It still does downtown. The victims, traumatized and frightened, wouldn’t quibble with semantics. To them, war has come to America. Can you help me to understand why, in the legal sense, this is not considered an act of war? What are the characteristics missing? Hope you have time to answer. Regards, Nalini Lasiewicz Lasiewicz Foundation Los Angeles —————————— Date: 14 Sep 2001 15:18:59 -0700 From: wade tillett <super89@telocity.com> Subject: 091401 and thus, the internal discourse, the discourse within and between the confines, between the towers is interrupted, destroyed. within an implosive absence, a sucking of air, a gasping for breath. and this is the strategy which cannot be accepted. and thus, the absence is filled with the act of absence. the event is dissipated through radical proliferation. a strategy of containment through appropriation. a dismantling through absorption. the absence is filled with image. we are merely within, between, temporary, intermediate. through a constant replay of images, looped the beginning, overtly / repetitiously / necessarily tied to the promised end. the loss of control tied to the regaining of a greater control. the other conquered by the self. the evil dominated by the good. a new equation, a new discourse: ‘the destruction of internal discourse yields unity.’ the aggression upon discourse places itself as the opposite pole as an object, objectless. for this is the real strategy of the act of terror: a destruction of controlled discourse. a failure of order, of control, of division, of distribution. the implosion of the internal equivalence of economy. an absence without end. an effect without cause. an enemy without other. an impotent vengeance and a sterile justice. in this, the awkward present without justice, without enemy, without retribution, all eyes are averted from this, the gaping and unfillable absence. —————————— Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:33:51 -0700 From: snoble@mac.com Subject: Re: <nettime> adjust and proceed Hi Damian, Thanks for the response. In all fairness I must say that the production company decided not to remove the buildings. What they did instead was have me reposition the image so that the WTC buildings were not as readily recognizable on one of the sequences. On the other sequence they replaced the shot with another New York shot that did not have the WTC in it. 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The government had declared a national day of prayer and flag waving for today. I live in Los Angeles. Relative to the population at large I saw very very few flags being displayed…and based on what I was seeing on TV regarding flag waving elsewhere in this country I am confused ….in comparison I saw an enormous amount of Laker flags last month when the local basketball playoffs occurred. Thanks for the website reference. shannon > From: Damian Abbott <damian.abbott@cwcom.net> > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:27:17 +0100 > To: sn <snoble@mac.com> > Subject: Re: <nettime> adjust and proceed > > > > sn wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> Let me describe what I do for financial gain: >> > > Hello > > Shannon, I’m very interested to know what the outcome was from your meeting. > Also, what was their problem with the images: was it just continuity; fear of > causing offence; or did they want the movie to have that “we just shot it > yesterday” feel when it hits the nations cinemas (or even more cynically, was > it > “Hell, it ain’t there anymore, get used to your new skyline….”?) > > > Had a cruise around a few message boards to guage America’s mood and got to > say, > from a British perspective, American patriotism scares the shit out of me on a > normal day, but…. Whatever, you’ll probably know a lot more about the > subject > of the following link, but thought maybe you’d be intersted: > > http://www.were-here.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=88956 > > cheers > > Damian > Inventory > http://www.inventory.mcmail.com > > —————————— # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and “info nettime-l” in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net